@deepmud I've lived with a big wisteria before and know how thuggish their growing habits can be! This came with the plot and I couldn't just turf it, it's a skinny little thing but I'm giving it a chance to live. And by a decade from now it'd likely be someone else's problem 😅 though a decade can pass all too quickly, and who really knows. I am certainly not where I would have expected to be at if asked a decade ago. Our double plot is about a normal UK full allotment plot size. But yeah, that is a decent size!